ADNAN OKTAR: Their degrees go from 1 to 33. They look on new arrivals as children. They do not regard them as masons until the 3rd-5th degree. There are also masons above the 33rd degree, and these are the ones they refer to as specialized masons. The former are the ones who are always just used, and the ones in Turkey are especially lowly. From their point of view, these junior ones serve no purpose, so they do not make much use of them.