ADNAN OKTAR: Wherever you look, the theory is in a state of collapse. There is no sense in keeping it propped up. Take Mao. Mao was wonderfully ignorant. I look at old pictures and he had difficulty even walking in a straight line. He survived in the mountains of China by eating frogs and cat meat. He read Darwin’s book, which took his breath away because he was so ignorant. He says that the basis of Chinese socialism and Chinese communism is Darwin and his theory of evolution. But he was wrong, and ruined his whole nation. You look at the Chinese and they are wretched, robotized, maddened. Is that not a tragedy? A few days ago my colleagues brought a Chinese friend with them. I had to take a step back. It was as if I had seen a ghost. It is a really strange feeling. Why bring people to such a state? I felt awfully sorry for him. They have been distanced from humanity, all of them. Let me say that 90% of China has lost all human depth. They have been turned into robots, machines. They have been crammed into tiny, cell-like homes. I saw in a magazine recently, the husband was an engineer and his wife was also an engineer, and, no kidding, they were living in a tiny space of about 4 m2. There is an empty expression on their faces. Why should these people suffer such oppression? Leave them alone, let them believe in Allah, let Islam spread, let them live in freedom. Isn’t that right? Allah will give you plenty and abundance and peace. It is the same with Russia. There used to be that classic Russian face at one time, as you know. Members of the Politburo used to line up, like a string of stone skulls. One would be petrified just to see them. I used to be repelled to see them when I was a child.
ADNAN OKTAR: Then communism disappeared, and a wave of relief came over them. A joy came over the Russian people. I look at young Russian girls and their faces are radiant. Their children are full of joy. That means that oppression, a totalitarian institution, fanaticism, literally hypnotizes people and ruins them. Let them breathe and live according to their beliefs. Insha’Allah, China will also shake off its yoke. It does appear to be heading in a more liberal direction. But China’s behavior in the recent incidents in East Turkestan (Xianjing) was really terrible.
REPORTER: Unfortunately.
ADNAN OKTAR: They have martyred 35 million Uighur Turks, brave people of East Turkestan. I am not saying we should go there and take revenge, but they must now let our people go. They must fear Allah. I do not know whether they believe in Allah or not, but what do they want from the people of East Turkestan? It is a huge country.
REPORTER: Of course.
ADNAN OKTAR: Let them live freely, according to their religion. They take young girls away from their homes at midnight, and nobody knows where. They recently took 10,000 girls away. There are pictures of them, carrying bags. Where did you take them and what have you done with them? Tens of thousands of people disappear under cover of darkness. What courts are you taking them to? Where are you taking them? Why are you detaining them? Nobody knows. What kind of justice and judicial system is this in China? We have written to Chinese ambassadors, suggesting we meet. I mean, we are in no position to hate or declare war on them. We want to resolve it peacefully and as brothers. They should have the right to a defense, but they just lined them up against a wall and shot them. What kind of law is that?
REPORTER: Barbarity.
ADNAN OKTAR: What kind of justice system is it that takes people away and shoots them the next morning?
REPORTER: It is not the law. What is happening there has nothing to do with the law.
ADNAN OKTAR: But this is disgraceful. They say they are a modern country. But modernity is not what we want. We do not want the food and drink you will provide. We want to live freely according to our faith. Let our brothers go. The very name of China has made me terribly uneasy ever since childhood. East Turkestan has always been a sore spot with me. I mean, what a terrible thing; men with almond-shaped eyes and empty faces come to your door at midnight, like devils, and off you go. What do they want? Who knows. What is your crime? Who knows. Can I present a defense? No. Kneel down by that pit. Bang, bang. Dead. Then another one, and another… Thirty-five million. Haven’t you had enough? For pity’s sake, lift your hand from that nation. This matter of East Turkestan, of the Uighur Turks, is the number one matter in the world. The matter needs to be pursued very closely. So many countries of the world are asleep. How can it be none of your concern if 10,000 people are martyred overnight? Neither France is interested, nor Germany, nor America.
REPORTER: But if the Turks had done it, we would have been called barbarians and there would have been a huge outcry. The earth would have moved if the Turks had done it.
ADNAN OKTAR: The earth would have moved if it had just been 10 people, or even only 1 person.
REPORTER: Of course, there would have been an outcry over just 1 person. But the same does not go for some other people.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, and arrests are still going on. People go and don’t come back. What kind of country is that? One should be tried, taken before the court and allowed to present a defense, and evidence should be brought forward. But nothing of the kind happens.
REPORTER: No crimes have been committed.
ADNAN OKTAR: There are no crimes.
REPORTER: If someone commits a crime, the punishment is enshrined in the law, and the courts mete it out. I cannot imagine any crime being committed deserving of the death penalty.
ADNAN OKTAR: What can these people do? They have already surrendered and are living like lambs there.
REPORTER: Yes.
ADNAN OKTAR: What do you want from those exceptionally well brought up young girls? Where have you taken tens of thousands to? What are you doing with them? We do not know what is happening to their chastity. No trace of them can be found, we have no idea where they are. The Han Chinese has taken them away. Some of these people are real psychopaths and attack Uighur Turks, people from East Turkestan, wherever they find them. Obviously there will be protests. Why are you taking those people away?
REPORTER: To provoke incidents.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. Why are they behaving so disgracefully? The aggressors are psychopaths, or rather a large part of them are psychopaths. What happens if you put them in the middle of them? They will behave disgracefully in any way possible, and that place is the most restless in the world at the moment. The world should act as one and act against China. If the whole world were to issue an ultimatum to China, the matter would come to an end straightaway.
REPORTER: Of course.
ADNAN OKTAR: China cannot throw its weight around. Its economy is dependent on everyone else. If foreign countries sever their trade links, if they set an embargo in motion, China will be brought to its knees at once. But if there is an embargo, they will stop food supplies to those poor people, so sanctions are not the answer. Pressure has to be put on the Chinese administration. Constant pressure must be applied through the papers, the radio and television, day and night. Look, I am saying that this is the greatest problem facing the world. Thirty-five million people have been martyred; 35 million. That is a huge number. I mean, when arrests are made, 10,000 or 20,000 or 30,000 people are taken away in a single night. That is what happened recently. They said that they shot 200 people. Who are they kidding? Tens of thousands of people have disappeared. So where are they? They do not say. They do not say where they have taken all those young girls. They take these immaculate sisters of ours from Turkestan away, these modest, devout young women. Who knows what those psychopaths do with them. There is no question of not thinking about it. Action needs to be taken. Sadly, we hear very little from them. There is a woman they call Mother Uighur, but nobody supports her. These events are so great they should be rocking the world. This is a truly dreadful state of affairs. I am now preparing a new book on the subject. We shall probably be holding a conference on East Turkestan in the following days. But these things will not have that great an impact. These are not the kind of people to be influenced by a book. We need statements aimed at the leaders of the world that our government, the governments of Islamic countries and Turkic governments can go along with.
REPORTER: Joint action is required.
ADNAN OKTAR: They must leave them alone. What harm are they doing to them? No, China wants money. Let us give it them for the economy, let us give them a certain amount of money if they say they will leave East Turkestan alone.
REPORTER: Could that happen…?
ADNAN OKTAR: As people would say damn it, let’s give them what they want, not in that sense but that is what they would mean. They have much to gain. They are not going to stop colonizing them just like that. They are in it for the money. But we can give them money to let them go.
REPORTER: They will not set them free. My personal view is that when they are given money they will demand more the next stage down the road, in 5 or 10 years’ time, or else they will make some other commercial demand, and those demands will keep coming one after the other and will never stop, in my view, until they are scared off.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, but not with them being scared off but at the request of Hazrat Mahdi (as). Hazrat Mahdi (as) will say he is opposed to this pressure and will request them to lift it. And you will see them lift that pressure that same day. The matter will be resolved that very day. There is love and affection in Hazrat Mahdi (as), as you will see. He will just make the request. Hazrat Mahdi (as) will make his power felt, but will shed no blood. He will have an awesome power. It will be like a struggle between a lion and a monkey. Like a lion asking a favor from a monkey. The lion will tell it to set those people free. And the monkey will understand just what the lion is saying, insha’Allah. They will set them free that very day. But I am saying all this in terms of setting out direct causes for it.
REPORTER: Of course, that is one option.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, I am saying this because doing something is better than doing nothing.
REPORTER: Yes.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, because China will not behave like that once Hazrat Mahdi (as) has emerged. Nobody would have the courage to do such a thing.
REPORTER: True.
ADNAN OKTAR: Said Nursi says that no power or army in the world can withstand him. Hazrat Mahdi (as) will always just make requests, polite demands. It will be the same with the PKK question. He will simply warn the people there to leave the region. People who do not believe, in other words. He will tell them to let the people, his brothers, be free. Believe me, the whole thing will be over in just 12 hours. They will abandon the area like a bunch of fleas.
REPORTER: Insha’Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Because otherwise, Hazrat Mahdi’s (as) heart will be set against them, and they will know what that means, insha’Allah. And they will not be able to oppose him, insha’Allah.
REPORTER: Insha’Allah.
Oct 06, 2009
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